Economy 101


It’s been almost chilling watching the events of the US economy these last few weeks. I’ve never been a hound of the money column, but there is something very simple that I do know. Something I learned from my father when I was seven: that if you borrow more than you make, you will not be able to pay back what you borrowed.

Many of you here are artists and therefor more artistically minded than economically minded (there are certainly exceptions, but I’m making a general assumption here). However, this is not an issue you can hide away from and hope for it to go away. The economic crisis is an issue facing everybody who lives here in America, not just the 9-5 worker but the freelance artists and entertainers as well.

So what happened?

Back in the 1930’s, America was going through another time so similar to our own. The 1920’s was a boom era (like the 1990’s). Consumerism and growth were explosive. American’s felt that the state of our prosperity would never come to an end. But like all graphs that paint the ever optimistic, ever forward picture, there was a glitch: people who have money always want more and people who make money will spend more money to make more, and essentially . . . they spent too much. It was an era of free market and deregulation. A time of perfect capitalism.

That all came to a screeching halt on October 29, 1929 when the stock market plummeted so fast and so quickly with no end in site that businessmen literally leaped to their deaths in despair. What followed was the American Great Depression–an era of history we are all well familiar with as one of the turning points of American history (along with WWII).

In response, the US government set in place a series of laws that increased regulation on banks and created laws to prevent a future depression.

Flash forward to the 1980’s. The Reagan administration. 50 years after the Great Depression. 30 years of incredible economic prosperity and ever-expanding global influence. America was one of the wealthiest nations on earth with one of the fastest growing economies, even in spite of the setbacks of the late 70’s and the last oil crisis. Yet because growth wasn’t at the same rate in the 80’s as it had been in the era of our highest rate of growth–the 50’s–the banks said, “You’re holding us back. All these stupid laws. Repeal them, and we’ll be able to make this country rich beyond your wildest dreams.”

And for a while . . . they were right. One by one, the laws dropped. Not swiped all at once with a hatchet, but picked out stitch my stitch so that we never even realized they were unraveling until the shirt had already fallen off. This deregulation allowed already larger companies to grow even larger, creating jobs within the US at higher wages while allowing them to produce cheap product overseas. It lowered the price of products and enabled a golden age of consumerism not seen since the 20’s.

Then came the building boom.

In the late 1990’s and early 2000, America saw an explosive building boom. Families that wouldn’t have been approved twenty years ago were suddenly getting five- and six-bedroom homes. They had stable jobs at companies rated highest on the Fortune 500. They had a 401k and health benefits. The American Dream seemed fulfilled.

And then it happened. The bubble began to burst.

It started in 2001, not a year after Bush was elected and Republicans won control of Congress and businessmen finally won control of our pockets. The last of the regulation laws were stripped away. Banks were now, essentially, free to do whatever they wanted.

Don’t make any money? No down? Don’t worry! We’ll put you in this $160,000 home, but you’ll have to pay four, maybe five or even six times that amount by the time it’s paid off, and if you need to move, well . . . that interest is paid off FIRST,and it doesn’t matter that you’ve lived here fifteen years and sold it at the same as you bought it, because YOU STILL OWE! Can you imagine? If you buy a home listed on the market at $250,000, you are paying over a million dollars in interest through the course of that loan???

But it wasn’t just in the housing market, because it wasn’t the people who built the homes who did this, it was the banks. It was the people behind the business that sold you furniture at zero down zero interest for a year, tucked behind the windows of the car salesman who doesn’t need to run your credit, in the back pocket of the electronics store or computer company who rewards for buying a lease or using your credit card instead of paying cash.

Why would banks do this? Why would they invest in people who can’t afford to pay for what they buy?

1) Interest: Because of high interest, the cost of the product you bought is usually already paid off before it ever defaults. In fact, the banks ends up making MORE money if you default, they repossess your car or home, and then turn around and resell it to somebody else. And they get a tax break for it, too, while you now OWE on your taxes!

2) Late fees: Ever had the credit card that you just paid off, but the check didn’t post until a day after it was due, and suddenly you’re hit with a $35 late fee, and if you don’t pay it, then you’ll have a late fee on the late fee the next month? Even if you send that check in on time, banks are sneaky. Don’t put it past them for finding ways to make that late fee off you, because it’s a big chunk of the money they make. They want you to be late.

3) Selling your debt to the lowest bidder: When you default on a loan, you lose your home, and still owe on the house. When a bank defaults on a loan, it just sells that debt to the lowest bidder and walks away, cash in hand, debt paid off. And what happens to the debt? Well, it gets sold off. From one company to the next to the next to the next. No one offers YOU the chance to buy your house back at a quarter of its selling price.

And perhaps this last is the worst sin of all. Because the money has to come from somewhere, and if the person who owed on the debt can’t pay it and the taxpayers can’t pay it, then who does?

And this is what happened: eventually, when you delay the risk of debt by constantly selling it off to another company that delays the risk of that unclaimed debt by selling it off again, it eventually comes back to bite you in the butt. The financial sector of the US economy has been running on fumes and fixed-books with numbers swiggled around to look like they’ve been turning profits when in fact they’ve been plummeting like a runaway mafia hit man towards the bottom of the sea.

The stock market crash of a few days ago has been the direct result of the deregulation of banks and the burrowing of high-paid lobbyist into the back pockets of Congress. If banks hadn’t been deregulated, Americans wouldn’t have been able to get into predatory loans that strip them of their money without giving anything in return.

And the scary thing about this is? Because of deregulation, none of the people who caused this will be going to jail. The last eight years have been one mass reform of bankruptcy laws that give the head men the means to retire with literally millions while penalizing the little and middle men for simply doing their jobs.

Eventually, the economy will turn around. But there’s a lesson here that Americans are learning the hard way–the lesson Europe learned long time ago: that a stable economy is one built upon the small, gradual growth of little businesses who make less and spend less but also lose less, instead of the wild, exhaustive growth of corporations that rise fast but fall hard, bringing down the entire forest along the way.

And that includes us, the artists and writers and entertainers, who rely on these institutions to make a living, as well.

50 Comments


50 Comments

  1. sxyblkmn  •  Sep 19, 2008 @9:32 pm

    this is as simple as it gets

    thanks for making it public, i’m gonna link it on my twitter

  2. igorxa  •  Sep 19, 2008 @9:56 pm

    brilliant. thank you.

  3. jacen  •  Sep 19, 2008 @10:05 pm

    Yeah, you hit the nail on the head but you left one thing out of your timeline. The deregulation of the Reagan era also caused the Savings And Loan crash that cost US (U.S. taxpayers) 125 billion (which McCain was a major part of and almost lost his seat in the senate because of it). Any time I hear McCain talking shit about how Obama doesn’t know how to deal with this economic crisis I want to scream, “When was the last time Obama was investigated for corruption by the Senate Ethics Committee for taking bribes from shady bank moguls to look the other way while you fucking hypocrite!”

  4. jacen  •  Sep 19, 2008 @10:07 pm

    edit

    -while

    heh, sorry, this topic gets me all flustered.

  5. selphish  •  Sep 19, 2008 @11:19 pm

    I hate to play ‘blame the victim’ here (and god, I probably sound like I do), but I think that people need to hold some personal accountability, too. Sure, deregulation had a lot to with the problems we’ve seen as of late, but the “charge it to the card now now, think about it later” mentality has probably done just as much damage, if not more.

  6. zorichan  •  Sep 19, 2008 @11:31 pm

    I know what you mean. This lady at my mom’s job only makes $9 an hour and somehow on her income alone was qualified through Countrywide Loans to get a Jumbo loan financed for $700,000 at 10% interest. I tried to tell her that’s insane. Not only could she not afford the $2000 a month mortgage but if you work out the interest she’d be paying $70,000 interest the first year and being generous saying all $24000 went to the debt she’d not even pay off the interest alone which then compounds to the principle debt the next year…Either way the whole thing is stupid and the banks should have had to eat those bad investments. Why should we, the intelligent people living within our means have to suck up their losses? *shakes head*

  7. lather2002  •  Sep 20, 2008 @12:01 am

    Ok, this is not fair :( I have had several businesses. Much of what you said is not entirely true. But I do not want to get bounced again from your LJ. So I am asking permission to respond to your post ?

  8. cetriya  •  Sep 20, 2008 @12:24 am

    this is what I was about to say.
    I do belive that laws should be placed to keep such things from happening but at the same time, the consumers had free will to owe/borrow a hell lot more then they can ever make.

    I mean, 0 down on a 200k house? thats a lot of un needed interest. At least have 20-30% or get a house some where else.

  9. cetriya  •  Sep 20, 2008 @12:26 am

    Countrywide is one to be carefull of. In the case of my dad, they put a lot of fees on the house so instead of a 1500$ monthly payment that we used to have we now have a 2700$ a month and we have to serverly cut back on many things and the house needs some serious updates.

  10. Rivkah  •  Sep 20, 2008 @1:44 am

    I agree with you, but you can also blame a lot of that on the fact since the banks were deregulated, that essentially gave them the go-ahead to spam all of us with as many credit card applications and commercials as they wanted. When I turned eighteen, I was receiving no less than ten CC applications a week! Thankfully, I grew up staunchly anti-credit card, but there are some things you do need to build credit for, such as larger purchases that affect your quality of living (like owning a home or a car). I was taught fiscal responsibility, so I kind of get where the Repubs are coming from on this issue: their system would work in a perfectly Utopian world and EVERYBODY knew how to invest their money, but the truth is, very few people do and nobody (Dems or Repubs) have suggested an education program to teach people how to get into these kinds of situations in the first place. Parents can’t teach their kids what they don’t know themselves, either.

  11. Rivkah  •  Sep 20, 2008 @1:47 am

    I posted this over at the Daily Kos, as well. I think you’ll find a better debate over there: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/19/171234/955/53/604047

    I think the kinds of debates you inspire would be much more welcome over there where there are people also more informed on this issue than myself.

  12. lather2002  •  Sep 20, 2008 @1:17 pm

    Well, maybe. But I do not like to really debate such things, it gives me a headache, haha. I just felt bad that you seem somewhat (not completely) misinformed. LOLove.

    By the way, I have meaning to ask if any of your work is available for purchase and if so, where ?

  13. p_the_wanderer  •  Sep 20, 2008 @3:17 pm

    I’m too lazy to read it all but I know how it was…

    But it hurts Europe too! :(

    Anyway… I think there is a big difference in a way of thinking. For example, I have a deepest disgust for being in dept. It’s somehow written in the culture here… (although now the credits are attacking us here to). Saying someone is is a debtor has a very negative connotations. Although the credit boom is here (I have no idea how many people got caught in it) the thinking that you buy when you can afford is still in here. You either can afford or you can’t.
    Still, it is being destroyed by all the credits… although after the crash in US the ads seem to have subdued a bit.

    But I mean… If I borrow money and buy something I never feel it’s mine until I give money back. That’s why I never do it unless it’s “I don’t have cash and the cash machine is too far away so I can give it back tomorrow” situation.

    I get a feeling I’m not very communicative with what I write today 0o

  14. Rivkah  •  Sep 20, 2008 @4:54 pm

    I get the gist. :) I think what America is feeling right now will be felt around the world, and that’s horrible. Perhaps we will ALL learn not to rely so heavily on credit? At least not for everything like it seems so many people do here, and to make wise decisions when we do. I recognize credit is still necessary for things like starting up a business or any sort of purchase that you need to make in order to eventually turn a profit.

  15. Rivkah  •  Sep 20, 2008 @5:03 pm

    I would like to hear your story. I ran a small publishing company for two years, so I realize there are many, many, many exceptions to when a person needs credit and the terms surrounding it. But it should be assumed that most of the statements I made above, were sweeping generalities, made on the observations of my own experiences, my peers, and watching/reading too much PBS. The purpose of this short essay isn’t so much to give an in-depth history lesson as to make an easy-to-understand summary that (hopefully) warns people away from making poor credit decisions, and that when they DO decide to go into debt, that the warning is there so that they are at least more cautious. I recognize there are more than a few glaring omissions in the overall summary and welcome any additions. :)

    I just don’t want to have to debate over the finer details . . . two people could spend all day arguing over minutiae when it’s the bigger picture that’s the message.

  16. Rivkah  •  Sep 20, 2008 @5:05 pm

    http://www.amazon.com/Steady-Beat-1/dp/1598161350/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221930192&sr=8-2

    http://www.amazon.com/Steady-Beat-2/dp/1598161369/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221930192&sr=8-1

    Unfortunately, the first book has over 150 mistakes in it (entirely Tokyopop’s fault . . . and I’m STILL pissed at them for it) that include wrong characters speaking, missing balloons, and missing dialog.

    I’d recommend skipping the first and going straight to the second because I physically drew in all the balloons so they couldn’t change them or make any mistakes later. Still some dialog mistakes . . . but definitely not as horribly glaring as the first.

    Sucks that I have to say that about my own books because of a publisher’s errors. :(

  17. p_the_wanderer  •  Sep 20, 2008 @5:17 pm

    Exactly :)
    And, I mean… not everybody has to OWN the house, especially if the term OWN is dubious if it’s on a loan anyway…
    I really hope I’ll never have to take any loan in my life…

  18. comic_heroine  •  Sep 20, 2008 @5:21 pm

    Thank you so much for saying pretty much what a lot are saying these days. Right now my own family’s convinced that reporters are scared to say the “D-word” to avoid causing panic.

  19. Rivkah  •  Sep 20, 2008 @5:31 pm

    I would like to own (build) a house someday. :) I want land in the country and the space to grow my own garden, fruits, and vegetables, have chickens (mmm . . . fresh eggs!), and possibly a dairy cow and horses . . . and the ability to pass that down to my children so they never have to worry about losing their home and their land to either the bank or the government. But I’m not going to pull a ginormous loan for it that I can’t afford, and realize it will be a while before I’m even making enough that I can start to save up, nonetheless buy land. My personal belief that if you get a loan, you should have at least half of what you’re paying for saved up already, use half of that to pay off the first quarter and use the last half as a buffer should you fall on hard times.

  20. p_the_wanderer  •  Sep 20, 2008 @5:48 pm

    Well, we build a house and it cost us my dad’s 7 years of working in another country and me growing-up as a kind of half-orphan (not to mention he left when I was 7 and got back when I was 14 with summer holidays, Easter and Christmas brakes, so it must have been kind of a shock XD). But it’s here, it’s ours. We have a garden too (well, we hat it always, only now there’s house in the middle :D) and I’ll be honest… I don’t really like it. We used to have our own vegetables and fruits… now we minimized it to flowers, herbs and a lot of lawn XD (Well, the fruit trees are still here though). There’s three of us and maintaining the garden really took too much time. You either have to love working in the garden as you hobby or have much free time.
    Nevertheless
    I agree. If one can’t afford a house/flat he can’t. If he thinks he can… unless he’s got no place to stay he should try to save up, invest and then get it.

    Come to it… a lot of people that grew up in the city want to live in the country and vice versa. Interesting XD

  21. Rivkah  •  Sep 20, 2008 @6:06 pm

    I grew up somewhere in-between city/country. My parents are divorced and remarried, and for several years there, my mom lived in the middle of grazing pasture for cows, renting a small little rundown house next to a little man-made lake. The city my dad lives in also used to be MUCH smaller. It’s a population of 600,000+ now with urban sprawl spreading like the plague, but before 2000 hit, we were a pretty small, sleepy college town where if you drove five minutes outside of the city, you were knee-deep in cow pasture and farm land. That isn’t so true anymore, and I miss it. :( My dad’s an avid gardener, as well, and I think that’s been passed down: we had blackberry bushes on our lawn, peach trees, pear trees, and apple trees. Unfortunately, he’s more of an aesthetics kind of gardener than a livelihood one, so there wasn’t much we actually got to eat from his weekends spent digging in the dirt (and our summers lugging cow manure to help him).

    When I lived in Pennsylvania, as well, you couldn’t get more rural than a township of less than 400 people with corn fields on one side and forest on the other. So I love both the city and country: the culture of the city, the quiet of the country. Living in the heart of the city now (though you wouldn’t automatically realize it’s practically downtown in this part), I miss the constant drone of cicadas and the smell of drying grass. I miss having wooded land on one side and the friendly Texas drawl you start to get from your neighbors the further you get from the city epicenters. And while I’m currently growing several potted plants on my apartment balcony (a mango tree and hopefully some broccoli in the winter) . . . I miss the true reward of growing my own fruits and vegetables.

    Chickens . . . I could probably do without. Stinky, ugly, mean creatures. But eggs, man . . . just can’t do without!

  22. jdalton  •  Sep 20, 2008 @6:45 pm

    My crazy theory:

    We are probably living in the only time in history when the global economy can prevent a full-blown Great Depression. In the 1920s the US was basically on its own. Countries collapsed due to shoddy fiscal policies, and then one by one their neighbours were toppled like dominoes. Nations were close enough to affect each other but not close enough to prop each other up.

    Now as the US economy takes a nose-dive, the rest of the world is hurting, but is also cushioning the blow. People worry about China buying up so much US debt- and maybe they should- but if foreign institutions weren’t stepping in to buy their share of the debt load, where would it go? The global economy is like a trampoline, the outer edges get dragged down but also provide the momentum for rebound.

    You can already see though the inevitable trend of banks getting bigger and bigger. At some point in the future the world will be so integrated, with a small number of giant corporations and global monetary laws, that if we THEN experience similar lapses in judgment, there won’t be all these neighbouring economies to cushion the blow and weather the storm. We will all sink or swim as one.

  23. p_the_wanderer  •  Sep 20, 2008 @6:46 pm

    Ah, blackberry <3
    Well, the only parts in the garden I really enjoy are my wild-berries, raspperies and blackberries were supposed to be too… but they somehow don’t like the place :( and it’s too dry for the wild strawberries.

    I guess I’d enjoy the garden much more if not for the fact that the soil here is mostly sand-clayish (after glacier areas) so the only thing that grows well is WEED XD

    Eggs <3

  24. p_the_wanderer  •  Sep 20, 2008 @6:49 pm

    0o I don’t wanna be a cushion, sounds like just a better version of a doormat XD

  25. Rivkah  •  Sep 20, 2008 @6:52 pm

    That was an absolutely beautiful analogy you made. Hopefully examples such as this can help KEEP regulations with banks in place so we never have to see the day of a global bank going under.

  26. jdalton  •  Sep 20, 2008 @9:10 pm

    Ha ha, I live in Canada, we’re a doormat whether we like it or not! Currently our banks seem to be doing just fine, in fact I don’t know of a single Canadian company that has gone under as a result of all this, but our stock market? Our dollar? Our manufacturing industry? The price of oil? We pretty much have no control over these things at all. They go where the US goes.

  27. Rivkah  •  Sep 20, 2008 @9:17 pm

    Doesn’t Canada have pretty large oil resources? Seemed like Calgary was to Canada in energy wealth what Texas is (used to be) to the US when I visited.

  28. p_the_wanderer  •  Sep 20, 2008 @9:22 pm

    Heh, we too.
    No, wait!
    We are in the freaking middle of Europe with the stigma of being under conrtol, but not in, USSR and trying to catch up West, failing too, and even though we have a lot weaker currency things like electronics and fuel are more expensive here than freaking West Europe. XD We are doormat of the doormats. Freaking 2,5 world between Europe and Russia.
    Canada seems to keep up OK. Dunno, I somehow always got the feeling Canada is nice; not a poor one, big, but much calmer that other biggies. Only you partly speak French, but hey, French speak only French ;P

  29. jdalton  •  Sep 20, 2008 @10:36 pm

    We do, yes, the Tar Sands have some of the biggest oil reserves outside the Middle East, but most of that oil is either pulled out of the ground by American companies who put it into their general stockpiles, or pulled out and then sold to Americans. Oil travels freely across the border so we don’t actually get any sort of bargain at the pumps despite being the ones producing all of it.

    Oil is a big help to our economy, especially in the west, but remember that Canada only ends up keeping a small slice of that money, and even that is dependent on you guys buying it all.

  30. lather2002  •  Sep 21, 2008 @4:28 am

    My Rambling reply ;)

    Well first off the economy was coming out of the Depression near the end of President Hoover’s last term. All that FDR entailed doing once he got in office was to expand government and start the beginning of a socialist society (where more and more of the population was to become dependent of government instead of independent of it) and actually exasperated and caused the depression to morph into a recession. It was WWII that actually finally brought the country out of the economic slump and roaring back (a war economy always can save the day).

    Prior to President Reagan, President Cater had led the country into the greatest economic turndown since the “Great Depression” of 1929. He raised taxes across the board. Interest rates were over 20% and unemployment was over 10% and climbing. Homelessness became a national disgrace and the real estate market was almost non existent and the building industry was destroyed. There were lines at gasoline stations and there was the Iranian Hostage Crisis (due to Carter getting rid of the Shah and replacing him w/the Ayatollah Khomeini). The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan and had taken over Nicaragua and their proxy Cuba had troops in Angola supporting the Marxist government there against Freedom Fighters. China invaded North Vietnam several times (border clashes) and we boycotted the Olympics ruining the careers/dreams of U S Athletes in the process while not having any effect on the slaughter the Russians were perpetrating on innocent Afghan civilians. Aids came upon the U S soil as well while the Carter Administration ignored it and/or blamed it on Gays. Things over all were dire. (what will happen again if Obama is elected).

    Then President Reagan was elected (Twice in landslide victories, both times) and saved not only the USA but also saved the world from the Evil Empire aka: Soviet Union) and brought in a new prosperity for all Americans.

    Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are creations of the Democratic Congress and has been controlled by Democratic Appointees from day one till now. The democrats did away with Redlining (by passing a law prohibiting the practice) which led to loans to unqualified borrowers, which led in a large part to the current situation w/lending institutions. In 2003 The Bush administration recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

    Under the plan a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.

    The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.

    It was blocked by Democrats.

    Anyway, like I said earlier, I have owned and operated several businesses. A painting company, a restaurant, a Travel Agency and now another small business. I have also worked as a carpenter apprentice, sheetrock mechanic and ran a crew that constructed and poured concrete foundations for single family and townhouse projects.

    Yeah, the economy, as you know, will turn around. It always follows cycles of boom and bust. That is the nature of capitalism. LOLove.

  31. lather2002  •  Sep 21, 2008 @4:33 am

    I will be purchasing those two books of yours. Wish there was some way to get you to autograph them for me ?

  32. Rivkah  •  Sep 21, 2008 @8:28 pm

    Re: My Rambling reply ;)

    I apologize if I gave the impression that I don’t hold Democrats responsible for much of what happened to banks over the last twenty years as well, and I hope you realize, too, that many of these incidents have been the result of actions taken by both parties, and that I disagree with you that Obama is another Jimmy Carter. Why? Because he’s a pacifist and promotes green energy? I admire Jimmy Carter as a man, but as President, he was a terrible speaker and a very uninspiring leader. Much like Al Gore, really . . . I believe there are very few people you’ll find, however, who’ll say the same for Obama.

    I think there is something you and I agree on, however: that deregulation of the banks hurt our country and our people. Doesn’t matter WHO did it. I’m, personally, not a huge fan of Bill Clinton (though I strongly believed Hillary had different stances on many of the issues I disagree on Bill with), and I didn’t begin to become more staunchly Democratic until the corruption of the Republican party became so blatantly obvious.

    The truth is, any time a single party takes complete power, they will become prone to abusing it, because lobbyists don’t care which party they pay off, only so long as it’s the party that can get things done for them.

    I do have to say we disagree on something very fundamental, however: the Great Depression may have been turning around before the Great Deal, but there were still thousands upon thousands of people who were not only homeless but couldn’t afford to put food on the table. What about the middle and the little man? Do you really believe we should have just walked away and ignored them? When we allow our government to put our friends and neighbors in such a position, should it not be our duty to force our government to help lift them back up? A recession means this: that the economy isn’t growing, but neither is it shrinking. But it is a necessity sometimes in order to build a more stable foundation for future growth that rests upon good values and long-term choices. I believe Roosevelt made the right choices, otherwise our country would be no better than an oligarchy where only 2% of our nation makes 98% of the world’s wealth, upsetting the bellcurve on our nation’s true GDI for everybody else, and controlling the reigns of power.

    Oh wait . . . that IS true.

    That’s why we need more politicians. That why politicians need more competition. So the pool of choices doesn’t stagnate like it has over the past oh . . . thirty years or so.

  33. kulimar  •  Sep 21, 2008 @9:18 pm

    Nice. Really informative post.

    Do you happen to watch TED talks BTW?:

    http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html

    http://www.ted.com/index.php/

    Lots of topics on there you might be interested in.

    -Kaz

  34. Rivkah  •  Sep 21, 2008 @9:26 pm

    <3 me some TED!

  35. Rivkah  •  Sep 21, 2008 @9:27 pm

    I actually have books at home I can sell and mail to you directly that I’d be more than happy to sign. :) :) :) Just shoot me an email.

  36. Rivkah  •  Sep 21, 2008 @9:29 pm

    Re: My Rambling reply ;)

    BTW, I wanted to ad that I do appreciate hearing both sides of the debate. I grew up with a father who staunchly believes that our government should never be run by a single party at any time, with an uncle who loudly Republican and an Aunt who’s loudly Democrat. I’ll never turn down an extra history lesson because it helps to keeps all the rest of us in the middle. :)

  37. Rivkah  •  Sep 21, 2008 @9:31 pm

    Re: My Rambling reply ;)

    So thank you for being as passionate about politics as the rest of us and not being one of those who looks away and pretends nothing is happening that they can’t do anything about. We can ALL play our part in changing our world. :)

  38. lather2002  •  Sep 21, 2008 @9:39 pm

    Re: My Rambling reply ;)

    I forgot to mention that I also was a Projects Manager for 3 separate construction projects. At the time I was overseeing the construction of an 10 story Office building and two town House Projects (one w/75 units and another w/220 units).

    I am sorry that I led you to believe that I thought every thing FDR did was negative. His creation of the FDIC and regulation of Banks and Saving in Loans was a plus. The deregulation of Savings and Loans I know was a big mistake for so many reasons (It’s A Wonderful Life was a excellent example of their role a long time ago). Washington D.C. was a small town before he came along in the strictest sense. There was no State Department as we now know it. It was a few offices in the Executive Office Building (the large beautiful building next to the White House) and just about all of the Government Buildings that crowd Washington D.C. were built (including the Jefferson Memorial) during his terms. My Grandfather was a bricklayer on the construction of the Pentagon. (by the way he saw many a man fall into the foundation and buried by the massive concrete pours during construction without being pulled out). But his creation of Social Security has turned into one of the biggest rip offs perpetrated on the American Worker I believe. More of my reasons on that if you wish in another comment. Charities have never let the down trodden completely down (but during FDR’s terms the top income tax rate was over 90% !!! Anyway, yes the Republicans when they had control and Bush as President went astray no doubt from their basic principles of small government and acted more like Democrats. But as far as corruption goes that is attributed to them, well, you said it yourself, both political parties have their problems in that regard. (“Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.” — Lord Acton and “Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it” —William Pitt).

    But I guess we will never agree on Obama being fit to be President of the USA. I believe from everything I have found out about him (from many sources, including the books he had ghost written about himself) that he is not only unqualified but would be a dangerous choice as well. LOLove.

  39. lather2002  •  Sep 21, 2008 @9:44 pm

    Re: My Rambling reply ;)

    Oh, I also minored in Photography while attending college and for a short there after tried to make a living at it ;)

  40. lather2002  •  Sep 21, 2008 @9:48 pm

    Re: My Rambling reply ;)

    One more thing, I learned after my Grandfather died that he was a life long Socialist !!! :O YEah, a curse upon me, sigh .. haha J/K about it being a curse. He could not help it I think. He was raised and went to school in Italy before coming here and Benito Mussolini was not only a Fascist but a Socialist Fascist ;)

  41. lather2002  •  Sep 21, 2008 @10:07 pm

    Re: My Rambling reply ;)

    Thanks, But to be truthful I have no idea why I become so animated about politics really. It tends to always leave with a Headache, haha. LOLove.

    And when I think about my station in life (which I tend to try not to do, I mean depression is not that fun, haha) I can find no real rhyme or reason why I am not a liberal, haha. Except when it comes to National Defense and the spread of Basic Individual Freedoms and democracy throughout the world. I firmly believe that when diplomacy fails in the effort towards those goals then the Military option should not be taken off the table. Do not misunderstand, I am not a person that is a fan of violence and/or war. My brother is in the Army. But when all peaceful means fail to stop or prevent EVIL then …

    One of my favorite songs is “One Tin Soldier”, go figure. ;)

  42. lather2002  •  Sep 21, 2008 @10:08 pm

    Kewl. E-mail on it’s way to you :D

  43. lather2002  •  Sep 21, 2008 @10:09 pm

    Best to pay cash. Sorry for butting in here.

  44. Rivkah  •  Sep 21, 2008 @11:29 pm

    Re: My Rambling reply ;)

    This is an interesting article about the Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac charade with the two Presidential Candidates from the NYT:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/us/politics/10fannie.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

  45. paradox0220  •  Sep 22, 2008 @4:29 pm

    -Excellent- post. Keep it up; we need more informed people shedding light into the darkest recesses of government and big business corruption that is causing this mess we are in!

    I could write about 10 pages in response to this post but it would turn into a “tl;dr” (too long didn’t read) post then.

    This is one specific topic I want to put into an easy to understand graph form for those who don’t have the time to research all of the details. I’m looking into web site co-location deals right now in fact. :)

  46. datwilliams  •  Sep 24, 2008 @5:23 am

    I made a youtube post about this, I think we can leverage this purchase with faith in the long term value of these purchases to also underscore healthcare financing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se9Zsmy7zp4


  47. datwilliams  •  Sep 24, 2008 @5:25 am

    doh the video was supposed to be behind a cut and i can’t delete it, i’m sorry

  48. Rivkah  •  Sep 24, 2008 @6:03 am

    LOL. That’s okay. I don’t think you can an LJ cut in comments, can you? Or did you mean a link?

  49. datwilliams  •  Sep 24, 2008 @4:19 pm

    I don’t know, these are things I learn as it goes

  50. datwilliams  •  Sep 24, 2008 @4:24 pm

    I meant to hide the video itself and have the link exposed. Or not have the video eating space on your comments. I thought lj-cut would work to have both… but I was wrong

    here’s an otter picture

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